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autor: Kocimietka , dodał 2017-09-09 15:08komentuj


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Cześć wszystkim!

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Mam szybkie pytanko: mój chłopak, od pewnego czasu jest diagnozowany z powodu OBUSTRONNEJ limfadenopatii szyi. Ma węzły max. 20mm w tym dłuższym wymiarze i żadnych w sumie objawów ogólnych. Ostatnio czytaliśmy trochę o chłoniakach i nie rozumiemy jednej kwesti: jak to jest z symetrycznością limfadenopatii? tj. w ziarnicy złoślwej czy np. chłoniakach nieziarniczych, węzły powiększają się JEDNOSTRONNIE czy raczej nie ma to znaczenia i mogą powiększać się to tu, to tam? :) Np. jak ktoś ma guza w środpiersiu, to np. węzły szyjne powiększą się po stronie guza, czy mogą po drugiej też? Ogólnie jestesmy dobrej myśli, ale wiadomo: na wszelki wypadek zbieramy info.. :) Pozdrówki ~ Oliwia

autor: Plamer, dodał 2017-09-09 23:21komentuj


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> Cześć wszystkim!

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> Mam szybkie pytanko: mój chłopak, od pewnego czasu jest diagnozowany z powodu OBUSTRONNEJ limfadenopatii szyi. Ma węzły max. 20mm w tym dłuższym wymiarze i żadnych w sumie objawów ogólnych. Ostatnio czytaliśmy trochę o chłoniakach i nie rozumiemy jednej kwesti: jak to jest z symetrycznością limfadenopatii? tj. w ziarnicy złoślwej czy np. chłoniakach nieziarniczych, węzły powiększają się JEDNOSTRONNIE czy raczej nie ma to znaczenia i mogą powiększać się to tu, to tam? :) Np. jak ktoś ma guza w środpiersiu, to np. węzły szyjne powiększą się po stronie guza, czy mogą po drugiej też? Ogólnie jestesmy dobrej myśli, ale wiadomo: na wszelki wypadek zbieramy info.. :) Pozdrówki ~ Oliwia

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Ja miałem chłoniaka ziarnicznego, i miałem guza wielkości pięści na prawym udzie a węzły też powiększoone w lewym więc w ziarnicy zlośliwej na pewno tak jest, a co do nieziarnicznych nie mam pojęcia.

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autor: Plamer, dodał 2017-09-09 23:32komentuj


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> Mam szybkie pytanko: mój chłopak, od pewnego czasu jest diagnozowany z powodu OBUSTRONNEJ limfadenopatii szyi. Ma węzły max. 20mm w tym dłuższym wymiarze i żadnych w sumie objawów ogólnych. Ostatnio czytaliśmy trochę o chłoniakach i nie rozumiemy jednej kwesti: jak to jest z symetrycznością limfadenopatii? tj. w ziarnicy złoślwej czy np. chłoniakach nieziarniczych, węzły powiększają się JEDNOSTRONNIE czy raczej nie ma to znaczenia i mogą powiększać się to tu, to tam? :) Np. jak ktoś ma guza w środpiersiu, to np. węzły szyjne powiększą się po stronie guza, czy mogą po drugiej też? Ogólnie jestesmy dobrej myśli, ale wiadomo: na wszelki wypadek zbieramy info.. :) Pozdrówki ~ Oliwia

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a z resztą na pewno w ziarnicy węzły są obustronnie, bo stadium zaawwansowania jest dzielone od 1 do 4 gdzie w stopniu drugim węzły są powiększone po obu stronach.

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https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chłon... > ocena zaawansowania na wikipedii

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Dziękuję za odpowiedź Plamer.. właśnie tak nam się też wydawało, aczkolwiek to stopniowanie zaaansowania, trochę inaczej rozumieliśmy, że chodzi o przeponę więc węzły górne (nad przeponą) i dolne (w brzuchu) ale po tej samej stronie. :) zastanawia nas też jeszcze jedna sprawa... mój przyszły mąż kilka dni temu dopiero przyznał się, że niektóre z węzłów (dolna część szyi wzdłuż tego dużego miesnia szyi) ma już od ... przeszło 6 lat!!! chloniak moze sie rozwijać aż tak długo? to jest w ogóle możliwe? może powinniśmy szukać czegoś jeszcze innego ... nie wiem co o tym myśleć szczerze mówiąc no i szykujemy się do biopsji jednego z tych węzłów..

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> Dziękuję za odpowiedź Plamer.. właśnie tak nam się też wydawało, aczkolwiek to stopniowanie zaaansowania, trochę inaczej rozumieliśmy, że chodzi o przeponę więc węzły górne (nad przeponą) i dolne (w brzuchu) ale po tej samej stronie. :) zastanawia nas też jeszcze jedna sprawa... mój przyszły mąż kilka dni temu dopiero przyznał się, że niektóre z węzłów (dolna część szyi wzdłuż tego dużego miesnia szyi) ma już od ... przeszło 6 lat!!! chloniak moze sie rozwijać aż tak długo? to jest w ogóle możliwe? może powinniśmy szukać czegoś jeszcze innego ... nie wiem co o tym myśleć szczerze mówiąc no i szykujemy się do biopsji jednego z tych węzłów..

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Teraz Cie zaskocze bo ja też onkologom mówiłem, że guz mi rósł 6 lat, od czasu mononukleozy czyli choroby która jest wywoławana przez tego samego wirusa co Ziarnica złośliwa, mi osobiście nikt nie wierzył, a jestem pewien bo był to okres kiedy miałem nogę w gipsie i czułem na początku gipsu mały guzek który przez kilka lat olewalem

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> Dziękuję za odpowiedź Plamer.. właśnie tak nam się też wydawało, aczkolwiek to stopniowanie zaaansowania, trochę inaczej rozumieliśmy, że chodzi o przeponę więc węzły górne (nad przeponą) i dolne (w brzuchu) ale po tej samej stronie. :) zastanawia nas też jeszcze jedna sprawa... mój przyszły mąż kilka dni temu dopiero przyznał się, że niektóre z węzłów (dolna część szyi wzdłuż tego dużego miesnia szyi) ma już od ... przeszło 6 lat!!! chloniak moze sie rozwijać aż tak długo? to jest w ogóle możliwe? może powinniśmy szukać czegoś jeszcze innego ... nie wiem co o tym myśleć szczerze mówiąc no i szykujemy się do biopsji jednego z tych węzłów..

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Stadium drugie to jest to samo w przypadku powiększonych węzłów powyżej przepony(płuca) I ponizej, jak u mnie uda

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Chociaż ten drugi przypadek jest strasznie rzadki ale lepiej wyleczalny z tego co wiem i przeżyłem :)

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autor: Kocimietka, dodał 2017-09-10 21:21komentuj


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O kurczę.. faktycznie dziwna sprawa..., myslałam że tak ciężka choroba pojawia się dość gwałtownie i szybko postepuje, jeszcze mówiłam chłopakowi że gdyby od 6 lat miał chłoniaka to dzisiaj pewno nie byłoby go wśród żywych... dziękuję Plamer za info, teraz tym bardziej musimy przyłożyć się do badań i chyba bardziej skłaniać jednak ku ziarnicy ... :/

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autor: Kocimietka, dodał 2017-09-10 21:28komentuj


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teraz jeszcze doczytałam..:) a jak objawia się mononukleoza? można ją przeoczyć? nie wiemy (chłopak nie pamięta) czy kiedykolwiek miał epizod tej choroby ...

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autor: Plamer , dodał 2017-09-10 21:47komentuj


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> O 21:28, dnia 2017-09-10 Kocimietka napisał(-a):

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> teraz jeszcze doczytałam..:) a jak objawia się mononukleoza? można ją przeoczyć? nie wiemy (chłopak nie pamięta) czy kiedykolwiek miał epizod tej choroby ...

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Wysypka przede wszystkim, powiększone organy np śledziona, wątroba, no i w krwi ob podwyższone, gorączka

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autor: Plamer , dodał 2017-09-10 21:50komentuj


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> O 21:28, dnia 2017-09-10 Kocimietka napisał(-a):

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> teraz jeszcze doczytałam..:) a jak objawia się mononukleoza? można ją przeoczyć? nie wiemy (chłopak nie pamięta) czy kiedykolwiek miał epizod tej choroby ...

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W internecie dużo o tym jest :)

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autor: Kocimietka, dodał 2017-09-11 08:51komentuj


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Dzięki Plamer, poczytam jeszcze o tym i cierpliwie poczekamy na wyniki biopsji... dużo zdrówka i jeszcze raz dziękujemy za info ! :)

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autor: Plamer , dodał 2017-09-11 15:41komentuj


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> O 08:51, dnia 2017-09-11 Kocimietka napisał(-a):

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> Dzięki Plamer, poczytam jeszcze o tym i cierpliwie poczekamy na wyniki biopsji... dużo zdrówka i jeszcze raz dziękujemy za info ! :)

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:) jak coś to piszcie

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autor: beata79, dodał 2017-09-12 05:40komentuj


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Nie ma na co czekać tylko trzeba działać. Są chloniaki, które rozwijają się powoli i latami - np chloniak grudkowy. Zwykła biopsja może nie wystarczyć, powinno się wyciąć cały węzeł. A najlepiej się udać do doświadczonego onkologa.

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autor: Kocimietka, dodał 2017-09-13 19:24komentuj


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wpadło nam do głowy coś jeszcze. :) czytamy, że w ziarnicy występuje guz w klatce piersiowej i, że niektórzy mają węzły powiększone w tych dołkach nad obojczykiem. Dobrze rozumiemy, że powiększony węzeł w dołku, jest "kawałkiem" guza w śródpiersiu? no i drugie: co jest pierwsze? węzy szyjne czy węzły w klatce? :) bo gdzieś się ta choroba musio wykluwać najpierw... mój facet RTG ma czyste... całe szczęście, ale w dole szyi ma węzły takie po 20mm na długość..

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autor: Matkos, dodał 2017-09-14 07:21komentuj


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> O 19:24, dnia 2017-09-13 Kocimietka napisał(-a):

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> wpadło nam do głowy coś jeszcze. :) czytamy, że w ziarnicy występuje guz w klatce piersiowej i, że niektórzy mają węzły powiększone w tych dołkach nad obojczykiem. Dobrze rozumiemy, że powiększony węzeł w dołku, jest "kawałkiem" guza w śródpiersiu? no i drugie: co jest pierwsze? węzy szyjne czy węzły w klatce? :) bo gdzieś się ta choroba musio wykluwać najpierw... mój facet RTG ma czyste... całe szczęście, ale w dole szyi ma węzły takie po 20mm na długość..

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Może się zacząć i tu i tu, może się zacząć w brzuchu, na miednicy, na udach

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autor: Kocimietka, dodał 2017-09-16 14:48komentuj


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